TV DEMO: PREPCHECKING, PART I | TV DEMO: PREPCHECKING PART 1 |
TV Demo: Prepchecking, Part I | |
LRH: Okay. Have a seat. Shut the door. | |
There we go. | |
PC: They can see me? | LRH: Okay. Have a seat. Shut the door. There we go. |
LRH: Yeah, sit forward. Way up. Attagirl. Attagirl. Now, here we are. Make sure I got a pencil. Now, a little bit over here – puts a strain on the situation. I hope that’s all right with you. | PC: They can see me? (chuckles) |
PC: oh, sure. | LRH: Yeah, sit forward. Way up. Attagirl. |
LRH: You probably wonder why you are here. | Now, here we are. (Make sure I got a pencil.) Now, a little bit over here - (sounds of motion) put strain on the situation. I hope that's all right with you. |
PC: I am consumed with curiosity. | Now, you probably wonder why you are here. |
LRH: Well, actually, you are here because you’ve had a continuing present time problem. | PC: I am consumed with curiosity. |
PC: O-o-o-ooh. | LRH: Well, actually, you are here because you have had a continuing present time problem. |
LRH: And a bunch of alleged – . What’s the date? 2 May. | PC: O-o-o-ooh |
PC: Alleged? | LRH: And a bunch of alleged ... What's the date? 2 May. |
LRH: Alleged prepchecking was done on you, and I’ve just given a lecture on missed withholds… | PC: Alleged? |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Alleged Prepchecking was done on you, and I've just given a lecture on missed withholds ... |
LRH: … and I just want to show people how awful easy it is. You know, if people would just relax about the thing, you know, and just do it, it’d all be all right. But they don’t. They manage to do everything else. Well, here we are at 8:24. Now, see what your tone arm is reading here. Oh, it isn’t very bad. That’s about 2.4, at sensitivity 16. All right. Now, what we’re going to do is very, very simple. All I’m going to do is locate some of the missed withholds everybody has been playing tag with, you see, and that they’ve been having a marvelous time with. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: That’s fine. | LRH: ... and I just want to show people how awful easy it is. You know, if people would just relax about the thing, you know, and just do it, it'd all be all right. But they don't. |
LRH: And we’re going to straighten this out. But the truth of the matter is that – apparently, whoever was giving you a Prepcheck was missing on most cylinders. I mean, I don’t care if whoever sits there and hears me, you know? I mean, there’s a – this is, you know, I mean… | They manage to do everything else. Well, here we are at 8:24. |
PC: Mmm. | Now, what we're going to do is very, very simple. All I'm going to do is locate some of the missed withholds everybody has been playing tag with, you see, and that they've been having a marvelous time with. |
LRH: … this is just an oh-my-God situation, see? | PC: That's fine. |
Now, there’s more to all this than everybody is doing, you understand? And it’s also simpler. So we’re going to straighten this out if we can. We’ll see what luck we have. | LRH: And we're going to straighten this out. But the truth of the matter is that they - apparently, whoever was giving you a Prepcheck was missing on most cylinders. |
PC: That’s fine. | (chuckles) I mean, I don't care if whoever sits there and hears me, you know? I mean, there's a - this is, you know ... (laughs) |
LRH: All right. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: I want to find out, too. | LRH: ... I mean, this is just an oh-my-God situation, see? |
LRH: Why, you – you’ll find out. All right. Okay. So, here we go. Is it all right with you if I start this session now? | Now, there's more to all this than everybody is doing, you understand me? And it's also simpler. So we're going to straighten this out if we can. We'll see what luck we have. |
PC: Yes. | PC: That's fine. |
LRH: All right, here it is. Start of session. Okay. Has the session started for you? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: I want to find out too. (laughs) |
LRH: Very good. What goals would you like to set for this session? | LRH: Why, (chuckles) you - you'll find out. (LRH and PC laugh) All right. |
PC: Well, to find the missed withholds! | PC: Great. |
LRH: All right. Good. Any other goal you’d like to set for this session? | LRH: Okay. So, here we go. |
PC: Yeah, to get the PTP handled. | Is it all right with you if I start this session now? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Yes. |
PC: To get the PTP handled. | LRH: All right, here it is. Start of session. Okay. Has the session started for you? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: That’s enough. | LRH: Very good. What goals would you like to set for this session? |
LRH: All right. Is that enough? | PC: Well, to find the missed withholds! |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. Good. Any other goal you'd like to set for this session? |
LRH: All right. Any goals you’d like to set for life or livingness? | PC: Yeah, to get the PTP handled. |
PC: Yeah. I want to get through the – make a concerted effort to study and get through this stupidity ridge I’m sitting in on the… | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: All right. | PC: To get the PTP handled. |
PC: … material. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Any other goal you’d like to set for life or livingness? | PC: That's enough |
PC: No. That’s enough. Mm. | LRH: All right. Is that enough? |
LRH: All right. That’s it. All right, good. Now, here we go. Now, look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: All right. Any goals you'd like to set for Life or livingness? |
LRH: All right. I got a little tick there. What do you… | PC: Yeah I want to get through the - make a concerted effort to study and get through this stupidity ridge I'm sitting in on the... |
PC: I noticed the picture. Everywhere I go, I see that picture. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. | PC: ... material. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: (pause) Any other goal you'd like to set for life or livingness? |
LRH: All right. There’s just one little tick left there. Anything else about this room? That’s it. That’s it. | PC: No. That's enough. Mm |
PC: Mm. Just noticing the bed. | LRH: All right. Good. Now, here we go. |
LRH: Hmm. That’s it. | Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. |
PC: Not anything special about it. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: All right. It’s going kick on it. | LRH: All right. I got a little tick there. What do you ... |
PC: Is it? | PC: I noticed the picture. Everywhere I go, I see that picture. |
LRH: Yeah. It did. What’s about that bed? | LRH: Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. |
PC: Rather out of place in this room. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: It’s out of place. | LRH: All right. There's just one little tick left there. Anything else about this room? That's it. |
PC: Yes. | That's it. |
LRH: All right. Good enough. | PC: ... Mm. Just noticing the bed. |
PC: Belongs in a bedroom. | LRH: Hmm. That's it. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Not anything special about it. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. It's going to kick on it. |
LRH: Very good. Okay. Look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. That’s fine. Thank you very much. | PC: Is it? |
PC: Mm-mm. | LRH: Yeah. It did. What about that bed? |
LRH: That’s clear now. All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? | PC: Uh ... rather out of place In this room. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: It's out of place. |
LRH: All right. There’s just one little slightly latent tick on that, you might say. | PC: Yes. |
PC: Mm. Well, I – I – it’s difficult for me to reach for you. | LRH: All right. Good enough. |
LRH: oh, there is… | PC: Belongs in a bedroom. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: … oh, it is. All right. Okay. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: Very good. Okay. Look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. |
LRH: That’s fine. That came out. That’s clear now. All right. Are you withholding anything I got a tick there. | That's fine. Thank you very much. |
PC: Just more of the same. I’ve got so many overts on you that I tend to individuate, is… | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: That's clear now. All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? |
PC: My ineffectiveness on dissemination. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: All right. Okay. Well, right this minute, are you withholding anything | LRH: All right. There's just one little slightly latent tick on that, you might say. |
PC: No. | PC: Mm. Well, I - I... it's difficult for me to reach for you. |
LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Are you – now, let me see if this is clear. | LRH: Oh, there is ... |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: Are you withholding anything Well, that’s pretty good. There’s just the tiniest tick there now. | LRH: ... oh, it is. All right. Okay. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? |
PC: Hmmmm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Just the tiniest tick. You might – what’s that? Right – right now, just right this minute, are you withholding anything | LRH: That's fine. That came out. That's clear now. All right. Are you withholding anything? I got a tick there. |
PC: No, there isn’t anything I’m not willing to talk to you about. There’s a whole gob of stuff, of course, that I… | PC: Just more of the same. I've got so many overts on you that I tend to individuate, is... |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: … got rattling around. | PC: My ineffectiveness on dissemination. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Okay. Well, right this minute, are you withholding anything? |
PC: But not withholding anything from you. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me test this again. | LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Are you - now, let me see if this is clear. |
PC: Mm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Are you withholding anything Well, we’ve got that clear enough. It’s nothing but a latent read on it. | LRH: Are you withholding anything? Well, that's pretty good. There's just the tiniest tick there now. |
PC: Mm. Good-o. | PC: (sighs) Hmmmm. |
LRH: Okay. Now, do you have a present time problem? That’s – I get nothing – an equivocal registry on this, very latent. | LRH: Just the tiniest tick. Right - right now, just right this minute, are you withholding anything? |
PC: Mm. | PC: No there isn't anything I'm not willing to talk to you about. There's a whole gob of stuff, of course, that I... |
LRH: But what are you laughing about there particularly? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, just, I’ve got a chronic PTP. | PC: ... got rattling around. |
LRH: All right. But right now, aside from that chronic PTP, do you have a present time problem? | LRH: All right. |
PC: No. | PC: But not withholding anything from you. |
LRH: All right. There’s a little tick there. There’s just a little tick there. What is your problem right this minute that… | LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me test this again. |
PC: Well, a little bit of a hope that this session comes out so it’s real instructive for the students. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: oh, well! I’m not – we’re not running this session, you know, for the students. That’s all right. | LRH: Are you withholding anything? Well, we've got that clear enough. It's nothing but a latent read on it. |
PC: I – I know. But I – they feel very close right now. | PC: Mm. Good-o. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: Okay. Now, do you have a present time problem? That ... (PC laughs) I get nothing - an equivocal registry on this, very latent. |
PC: They’re almost in the room. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: That’s fine. And that’s what you… | LRH: But what are you laughing about there particularly? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, just, I've got a chronic PTP. |
LRH: … what you thought of there. | LRH: All right. But right now, aside from that chronic PTP, do you have a present time problem? |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Thank you. All right. Do you have a present time problem? | LRH: All right. There's a little tick there. There's just a little tick there. What is your problem right this minute that ... |
PC: No. | PC: Well, a little bit of a hope that this session comes out so it's real instructive for the students. |
LRH: That’s dandy. That – that – oh, I don’t know. There was just – there’s just one little other tick there. I said „dandy,“ but a little bit too soon. | LRH: Oh, well! I'm not - we're not running this session, you know, for the students. That's all right. (LRH and PC laugh) |
PC: Yeah, well, I do have a problem with the course. I could put my attention on the course at this time and uh… | PC: I - I know But I - they feel very close right now. |
LRH: Mm-mm. Mm-mm. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: I just – an awful difficulty in passing material. | PC: They're almost in the room. |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now let me check this again. | LRH: That's fine. And that's what you ... |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Do you have a present time problem? Well, there’s an infinitesimal flick. We’re getting it cut right down now. There’s just an infinitesimal flick before a latent flick. | LRH: ... what you thought of there. |
PC: Mmm.; | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: There’s two flicks here. | LRH: All right. Very good. Thank you. All right. Do you have a present time problem? |
PC: Uh – well. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Now, what might that be? | LRH: That's dandy. That - that - oh, I don't know. There was just there was one little other tick there. (PC chuckles) I said "dandy" but a little bit too soon. |
PC: Well, am I going to be terminated next week without a classification? That… | PC: Yeah, well, I to have a problem with the course. I could put my attention on the course at this time and uh ... |
LRH: oh, I see. | LRH: Mm-mm. Mm-mm. |
PC: … that’s the problem. ~ | PC: - an awful difficulty in material. |
LRH: No, you were already extended, I think. That’s uh… | LRH: All right. Okay. Now let me check this again. |
PC: oh, was I? | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Do you have a present time problem? Well, there's an infinitesimal flick ... We're getting it cut right down now. There's just an infinitesimal flick before a latent tick. |
PC: oh, good-o. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: we weren’t worried about that. | LRH: There's two flicks here. |
PC: Yeah. Well, that… | PC: Uh - well. |
LRH: All right. Instructions were that people that this caught with only two or three weeks to go, and so forth – they got extended. | LRH: All right. Now, what might that be? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, am I going to be terminated next week without a classification? That ... |
LRH: It was automatic. All right. Let me check this again. | LRH: Oh. I see. |
PC: Mm. | PC. that's the problem |
LRH: Okay? All right. Do you have a present time problem? | LRH: No, you were already extended, I think. That's uh ... |
PC: No. | PC: Oh, was I? |
LRH: All right. Well, we’ve got this awfully, awfully cut down, but there is just a little hair there. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Well, this could go into the chronic PTP, actually, because this is what I’ve got keyed in. | PC: Oh, good-o. (big sigh) |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: We weren't worried about that. |
PC: It’s how do I get effective enough to do something about my marriage and do something about dissem – dissemination. It’s just the whole ball of wax. | PC: Yeah. Well, that... (chuckles) |
LRH: Hmm, hmm, hmm. All right. This is a constant worry to you. | LRH: (chuckles) All right. Instructions were... |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, this could go into the chronic PTP actually, because this is what I've got keyed in. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Now, aside from that PTP, which we’re going to take up here anyplace… | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Yeah, I know. That’s… | PC: It's how do I get effective enough to do something about my marriage and to something about dissem - dissemination. It's just the whole ball of wax. |
LRH: … do you have a present time problem? | LRH: Hmm, hmm, hmm. All right. This is a constant worry to you. |
PC: No. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. I still get a tick. | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Now, aside from that PTP which we're going to take up here anyplace ... |
PC: Well, see, the course is part of this one because… | PC: Yeah, I know. That's ... |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: ... do you have a present time problem? |
PC: … this is where I hope to get effective enough to do something about my livingness. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. All right. All right. | LRH: All right. I still get a tick. |
PC: And that’s the only thing that is worrying me. | PC: Well see, the course is part of this one because ... |
LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Okay. Let me check it again. Do you have a present time problem? I’ve got a tiny flick. Right this minute. Now, I’m not talking about – . Now, we’re going to take up your… | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Yeah, I know. | PC: ... this is where I hope to get effective enough to do something about my livingness. |
LRH: … husband and the course and dissemination. | LRH: All right. All right. All right. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: And that's the only thing that is worrying me. That people that this caught with only two or three weeks to go, and so forth - they got extended. |
LRH: We’re going to take all that up. But, right here, right now – right now – do you have a present time problem? | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Okay. Let me...check it again. |
PC: No. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: That’s it. Thank you. All right. I’m going to let that ride… | LRH: It was automatic. All right. Let me check this again. |
PC: Okay. | Do you have a present time problem? I've got a tiny flick. (PC laughs) Right this minute. Now, I'm not talking about ... Now, we're going to take up your ... |
LRH: … because we got it clean as a whistle. Okay? | PC: Yeah, I know. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: husband and the course and dissemination. |
LRH: Now, I would like to do a little Prepchecking on you, if that’s all right with you. What would you say to that? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: That’s fine. | LRH: We're going to take all that up. But, right here, right now - right now, do you have a present time problem? |
LRH: All right. Here we go. First thing I’ve got to do is look at your folder. | PC: No. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: That's it. Thank you. All right. I'm going to let that ride ... |
LRH: And we seem to have been racking up a lot of O/Ws on the course and O/Ws, O/Ws, O/Ws. Well, O/Ws aren’t missed withholds and they aren’t problems. Well, you got a lot of stuff here about snakes. No, nothing marked null on that. And destroying plants, and snakes and – . Somebody is having a ball here one way or the other. Wonder how far afield you can get. That hasn’t anything to do with it. Let’s get into something here. Let’s get into something here, shall we? | PC: Okay. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: ...because we got it clean as a whistle. (PC sighs) Okay? |
LRH: Now, you got a present – chronic present time problem about your – not trying to upset your auditor or anything like that, if your auditor is hearing all of this. It’s not he. This started with your auditor earlier. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: oh. | LRH: Now I would like to do a little Prepchecking on you, if that's all right with you. What would you say to that? |
LRH: And it’s been going adrift, and all I’m going to get into is I understand you have a chronic present time problem now that has to do with your marriage and your husband and so forth. Is that right? | PC: That's fine. |
PC: Mm. Actually, part of it is Bill and Donna, too, of the Scientology Center. | LRH: All right. Here we go. |
LRH: Yeah. | First thing I've got to do is look at your folder. |
PC: It’s all one big ball of wax, really. | PC: Mm. (sighs) |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: And we seem to have been racking up a lot of O/Ws on the course and O/Ws, O/Ws, O/Ws. Well, O/Ws aren't missed withholds and they aren't problems. |
PC: It’s all big bunch – big – one big bunch of wax and glue, like. | Well, (pause; chuckles) you got a lot of stuff here about snakes. No, nothing marked null on that. And destroying plants, and snakes and ... Somebody is having a ball here one way or the other. Wonder how far afield you can get. (laughs) That hasn't anything to do with it. |
LRH: All right. Now, were you having trouble with your husband before you had trouble with this Center? | Let's get into something here. Let's get into something here, shall we? |
PC: No. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: oh, you only had it since. | LRH: Now, you got a chronic present time problem about your .. Not trying to upset your auditor or anything like that, if your auditor is hearing all of this. (PC chuckles) It's not he. This started with your auditor earlier ... |
PC: Actually, it all started at the same time. You see, I met my husband through the – Bill and Donna. | PC: Oh |
LRH: oh, you met your husband through here. | LRH: ... and it's been going adrift, and all I'm going to get into is I understand you have a chronic present time problem now that has to do with your husband and so forth. Is that right? |
PC: It all started… | PC: Mm. Actually, part of it is Bill and Donna, too, of the Scientology Center. |
LRH: I see. Well, we get a fall here on the Center. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Mm. | PC: It's all one big ball of wax, really. |
LRH: we don’t get much of a fall on your husband. | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Yeah. But that’s the problem. | PC: It s all big bunch - big - one big bunch of wax and glue, like. |
LRH: How about your husband? No. | LRH: All right. Now, were you having trouble with your husband before you had trouble with this Center? |
PC: Well… | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. And how about the Center? Well, you’re thinking about something else, now. | LRH: Oh, you only had it since. |
PC: I am? | PC: Actually, it all started at the same time. You see, I met my husband through the... Bill and Donna. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Oh, you met your husband through here. |
PC: Well, I actually don’t feel that the problem with my husband is acute anymore because oh… | PC: It all started ... |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: I see. Well, we get a fall here on the Center. |
PC: … I can separate this one out. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: We don't get much of a fall on your husband. |
PC: It’s actually Scien – Scientology is my problem. | PC: Yeah But that's the problem. |
LRH: oh! | LRH: How about your husband? No. |
PC: How do I disseminate effectively? | PC: Well... |
LRH: All right. All right. | LRH: All right. And how about the Center? Well, you're thinking about something else, now. |
PC: You’re part of it. | PC: I am? (little laugh) |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Yeah |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well I actually don't feel that the problem with my husband is acute anymore because uh ... |
LRH: Okay. And how long has this been a problem? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Mm, actually, it’s been a problem since 55. | PC: ... I can separate this one out. |
LRH: Hmm? 55. Earlier? Earlier than 55? Yeah. | LRH: Hm? |
PC: 50. | PC: ... actually Scien - Scientology is my problem. |
LRH: 50? Was the problem in 50? | LRH: Oh! Huh? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: How do I disseminate effectively? |
LRH: Yeah. We’re getting a fall now. | LRH: All right. All right. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: You're part of it. |
LRH: All right. This predates this Center, huh? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. What about 50? | LRH: Okay. And how long has this been a problem? |
PC: Well, that… | PC: Mm, actually, it's been a problem since '56. |
LRH: Spring of 50? | LRH: Hmm? '55. Earlier? Earlier than '55? Yeah. |
PC: No. | PC: '50. (laughs) |
LRH: Summer? | LRH: '50? Was the problem in '50? |
PC: It was in late September, early October when I met – read first spoke. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. September, October. Okay. Did you have some auditing sessions at that time? | LRH: Yeah. We're getting a fall now. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. This predates this Center - huh? |
PC: That’s when I went into Jackins’, because he was my first Instructor. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I well know this particular combination. | LRH: All right. What about '50? |
PC: Mm. | PC: Well, that ... |
LRH: All right. Now, what we’re going to do here is we’re going to operate on a Zero question. And let me just test two or three Zero questions here. | LRH: Spring of '50? |
PC: Mm. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right? | LRH: Summer? |
PC: That’s fine. | PC: It was in late September, early October when I met ... Red first spoke. |
LRH: I’m going to say, has an auditor ever failed to find out something about you? All right. That’s not it. What should have been found out about you? All right. What should have been found out about you? Have you ever failed to find out about something? What should have been found out about you? Well, that seems to have a little reaction there. All right. So we’re going to put that down as the Zero, in spite of the fact that it starts with what. | LRH: All right. September, October. Okay. Did you have some auditing sessions at that time? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. My first instructor. |
LRH: And what should have found – been found out about you? What should have been found out about you? That’s it. | LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I well know this particular combination. |
All right. Now, we’re referring clear back to September? Something like that? October? | PC: (sighs) Mm. |
PC: October. | LRH: All right. Now, what we're going to do here is we're going to operate on a Zero question. And let me just test two or three Zero questions here. |
LRH: It’s October. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right? |
LRH: October 1950. | PC: That's fine. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: I'm going to say, has an auditor ever failed to find out something about you? All right. That's not it. What should have been found out about you? All right. What should have been found out about you? Have you ever failed to find out about something? What should have been found out about you? That seems to have a little reaction there. All right. So we're going to put that down as the Zero, in spite of the fact that it starts with what. (chuckles) |
LRH: All right? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: And what should have found - been found out about you? What should have been found out about you? That's it. |
LRH: And what should have been found out about you at that time? | All right. Now, we're referring clear back to September? Something like that? October? |
PC: Hm. | PC: October. |
LRH: That’s it. | LRH: It's October. |
PC: Well, that I was – actually didn’t have – well, I – I was – I was stupid. That’s – that’s my biggest problem, is my stupidity. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Okay. Very good. And did your stupidity get you into some trouble at that time? Nope. | LRH: October 1950. |
PC: Uh-uh. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Well, who failed to find out about this? | LRH: All right? |
That’s it. | PC: Um-hm. |
PC: Well, Jackins. | LRH: And what should have been found out about you at that time? |
LRH: Jackins? Jackins? Oh, you’ll have to come again. | PC: Hm. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: Who was it? Who was it? You’ve got him. who was it? | PC: Well, that I was ... actually didn't have - well, I - I was - I was stupid. That's - that's my biggest problem, is my stupidity. |
PC: Well, I’m looking at Jimmy. | LRH: All right. Okay. Very good. And did your stupidity get you into some trouble at that time? Nope. |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Uh-uh [no] |
PC: My – my first husband, Jimmy. LRH: Jimmy? All right. Was it Jimmy? Jimmy? We got a little halt on that. Jimmy? Jimmy. | LRH: Well, who failed to find out about this? (PC takes deep breath) |
PC: Mm. | That's it. |
LRH: All right. Anybody ever ask any Prepcheck question on Jimmy? | PC: Well Jackins. |
PC: Overt-withhold on him. | LRH: Jackins? Jackins? Harvey Jackins? Oh, you'll have to come again. |
LRH: No. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Not Prepchecking, no. | LRH: Who was it? Who was it? You've got him. Who was it? |
LRH: Anybody ever ask you any Prepcheck questions about Jimmy? | PC: Well, I'm looking at Jimmy. |
PC: I – a husband, actually. Not Jimmy. Yeah, I think they did. I think Ava did. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: Mm-hm. When was that? | PC: My ... my first husband, Jimmy. |
PC: When Prepchecking first started here. | LRH: Jimmy? All right. Was it Jimmy? Jimmy? We got a little halt on that. Jimmy? Jimmy. |
LRH: Mmm. | PC: Mm. |
PC: It generalized into what have you – „What did you do to a husband?“ „What have you done to a husband?“ | LRH: All right. Anybody ever ask any Prepcheck question on Jimmy? |
LRH: Well, what did he fail to find out about you in October of 1950? | PC: Overt-withhold on him. |
PC: Well… | LRH: No. |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: Not Prepchecking, no. |
PC: Yeah. That I was uh – hmm – using, actually, Dianetics to uh – I – I – I… | LRH: Anybody ever ask you any Prepcheck question on Jimmy? |
LRH: You got it. | PC: I... a husband, actually. Not Jimmy ... Yeah, I think they did. I think Ava did. |
PC: … I get real confused what I did. | LRH: Mm-hm. When was that? |
LRH: All right. Come on. | PC: (sighs) When Prepchecking first started here. |
PC: Um… | LRH: Mmm. |
LRH: You got it. Using Dianetics… | PC: It generalized into what have you - "What did you do to a husband? " "What have you done to a husband?" |
PC: Well actually, to establish – a beingness that couldn’t be made less of. | LRH: Well, what did he fail to find out about you in October of 1950? |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Well ... |
PC: This. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: All right. All right. What did he fail to find out? What did Jimmy fail to find out there? | PC: Yeah. That I was uh ... hmm ... (pause) using, actually Dianetics to uh ... (pause) I.... I... I... |
PC: Well, that I didn’t consider myself anything | LRH: You got it. |
LRH: Ah, I see. | PC: get real confused what I did (laughs) |
PC: That’s what I’m hung up in. I… | LRH: All right. Come on. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Um |
PC: … I totally make nothing of myself… | LRH: You got it. Using Dianetics ... |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: But actually, to establish ... a beingness that couldn't be made less of. |
PC: … really. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Is that October of 1950? | PC: This. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. All right. What did he fail to find out? What did Jimmy fail to find out there? |
LRH: All right. There we go. Hotter than a pistol. Okay. Okay, now, well, who was this an overt against? | PC: Well, that I didn't consider myself anything. |
PC: Well, Jimmy. | LRH: Ah, I see. |
LRH: All right. And just what did you do to Jimmy there? | PC: That's what I'm hung up in. I ... |
PC: Well, I learned Sci – Dianetics at that time. I got to understanding it better than he… | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Yeah… | PC: ... I totally made nothing of myself ... |
PC: … and using it as a – „I am smarter than you are.“ | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: ... really. (chuckles) |
PC: I do that to Charlie, too. | LRH: All right. Is that October of 1950? |
LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: But I did that to Jimmy. | LRH: All right. There we go. Hotter than a pistol. (PC breathes deeply) Okay. Okay, now, well, who was this an overt against? |
LRH: Okay. And what did you do there specifically? | PC: Well, Jimmy. |
PC: I took the first course under Jackins and learned about Dianetics. Learned to audit. | LRH: All right. And just what did you do to Jimmy there? |
LRH: All right. All right. All right. But what did you do to Jimmy there, specifically? | PC: Well, I learned Sci - Dianetics at that time. I got to understanding it better than he... |
PC: Well, I made him take the course with me. | LRH: Yeah ... |
LRH: All right. That’s it. Go on. | PC: and using it as a - "I am smarter than you are." |
PC: oh. But just a feel that – was using, then, Dianetics to solve him. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: To do what? | PC: I do that to Charlie too. (laughs) |
PC: To solve him. | LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. |
LRH: oh, I see. Well, now we’re back to what didn’t he find out there? | PC: Better. But I did that to Jimmy. |
PC: Well, he didn’t find out that I – that I thought – that I thought he was more able than I was. I would always put out that I was – was more able… | LRH: Okay. And what did you do there specifically? |
LRH: Yeah… | PC: I took the first course under Jackins and learned about Dianetics. Learned to audit. |
PC: … than he was. | LRH: All right. All right. All right. But what did you do to Jimmy there, specifically? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well I made him take the course with me. |
PC: And I never let him know that I considered myself inferior to him. | LRH: All right. That's it. Go on. |
LRH: All right. All right. Good enough. Good enough. Now, what did you do that he failed to find out? | PC: (pause) Oh. But just a feel that ... was using, then, Dianetics to solve him. |
PC: Nm. | LRH: To do what? |
LRH: That’s it. That’s it. | PC: To solve him. |
PC: Well, I read the first book. | LRH: Oh, I see. Well now we're back to what didn't he find out there? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: (pause; sighs) Well, he didn't find out that I - (laughs) that I thought - that I thought he was more able than I was. I would always put out that I was - was more able. |
PC: But then he found about – out about that later. | LRH: Yeah ... |
LRH: Yeah, but what did you do, specifically? Come on. What did you do specifically? You must have done something there. | PC: ... than he was. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: The needle isn’t falling on… | PC: And I never let him know that I considered myself inferior to him. |
PC: Reading the first book, you mean? | LRH: All right. All right. Good enough. Good enough. Now, what did you do that he failed to find out? |
LRH: … nothing. No. I mean, the needle isn’t falling on nothing here. | PC: (breathes deeply, pause) Hm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: That's it. That's it. |
LRH: This needle is falling on something. And it’s doing rather steep, repetitive falls every time you think over this situation. So what did you do? You must have done something. Now, what did you do? | PC: Well, I read the first book ... |
PC: That he didn’t know about. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Yeah! | PC: ... but then he found about - out about that later. |
PC: That he didn’t find out about it. | LRH: Yeah, but what did you do ... u ... |
LRH: That’s right. He never found out about it that time. | PC: Ooh. |
PC: Well, see, this is why it’s difficult for me because I would do it and then it was a get-even-with? | LRH: ... specifically? Come on. What did you do specifically? You must have done something there. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: so he – he always knew what I did, but I – well, he didn’t know it was a get – yeah, he knew it was a get-even-with, too. | LRH: The needle isn't falling on ... |
LRH: All right. Good. Good. That’s fine. But what – what did you do? You see, you’re mostly telling me attitudes… | PC: Reading the first book, you mean? |
PC: Yes, I know. | LRH: ... nothing. No. I mean, the needle isn't falling on nothing here. |
LRH: … you’ve had, do you understand? I want to know something you did that he never found out about. That’s it. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Any time? You mean later than… | LRH: This needle is falling on something. And it's doing rather steep, repetitive falls every time you think over this situation. So what did you do? You must have done something. Now, what did you do? |
LRH: I don’t care when it was. | PC: That he didn't know about that. |
PC: … when? Well… | LRH: Yeah! |
LRH: Tell me what it was. | PC: He didn't find out about it. |
PC: … well, okay. I – I did stuff that he didn’t find out. Later, though. You see, I went into a promiscuity bit later, after I left him, that he didn’t find – ever find out about. | LRH: That's right. He never found out about it that time. |
LRH: All right. All right. All right. | PC: Well, see, this is why it's difficult for me because I would do it and then it was a get-even-with. |
PC: But this was later than… | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. And earlier, what did you do that he didn’t find out about? I want a specific instance here. | PC: So he - he always knew what I did, but I - well, he didn't know it was a get - yeah, he knew it was a get-even-with, too. |
PC: Earlier. | LRH: All right. Good. Good. That's fine. But what ... (PC laughs) what did you do? You see, you're mostly telling me attitudes ... |
LRH: I don’t care when. You just give me one. | PC: Yes, I know. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: ... you've had. do you understand? I want to know something you did that he never found out about. That's it. |
LRH: A specific thing that you did – that you did, you know… | PC: (sighs) Anytime? You mean later than ... |
PC: Mm. | LRH: I don't care when it was. |
LRH: … did, actually did… | PC: ... when? Well... |
PC: Mm-mm. | LRH: Tell me what it was. |
LRH: … with your paws and your head and your hands and you. You know? | PC: ... Well, okay: I - I did stuff that he didn't find out. Later, though. You see, I went into a promiscuity bit later, after I left him, that he didn't find - ever find out about. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. All right. All right. |
LRH: You know, that you did that he never found out about – that Jimmy never found out about. That’s it. | PC: But this was later than ... |
PC: I don’t have anything. I’m just… | LRH: All right. And earlier, what did you do that he didn't find out about? I want a specific instance here. |
LRH: Da-da-da-da. | PC: Earlier. |
PC: … looking. | LRH: I don't care when. (PC laughs) You just give me one. |
LRH: That’s it right there. Right there. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: oh? | LRH: A specific thing that you did - that you did, you know ... |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: Mm. |
PC: It is? I’ve got an area of time, but I don’t have a doingness. | LRH: ... with your paws and your head and your hands and you. You know? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: I’ve got an area of time, but not a doingness. | LRH: You know, that you did that he never found out about - that Jimmy never found out about. (PC sighs) That's it. |
LRH: All right. It’s right in that area of time. | PC: I don't have anything. I'm just ... |
PC: This is in Oklahoma, in 1943, when I – before I married him. | LRH: Da-da-da-da. |
LRH: All right. Go on. Go on. | PC: ... looking. |
PC: Hm. | LRH: That's it right there. Right there. |
LRH: You’ve got it taped. What did you – that’s it, right there. | PC: Oh? |
PC: I did. Something I did. I had… | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: Mm-hm! That’s it. You – you’re right on it. You’re right on it. | PC: It is? I've got an area of time, but I don't have a doingness. |
PC: Well, I had some intentions to – well, I did trap him. I gonna – you know? | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: Is that something you did? | PC: I've got an area of time, but not a doingness. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. It's right in that area of time. |
LRH: All right. | PC: This is in Oklahoma in 1943, when I - before I married him. |
PC: Did he find – I don’t think he ever found out about that. | LRH: All right. Go on. Go on. |
LRH: And he never found out about it? | PC: Hm. |
PC: I don’t think so. | LRH: You've got it taped. What did you ... That's it, right there. |
LRH: All right. And now, go over this further. What did you specifically do? | PC: (pause) I did. Huh - something I did. I had ... |
PC: Well, I slept with him, as a trap. | LRH: Mm-hm! That's it. You - you're right on it. You're right on it. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, I had some intentions to - well, I did trap him. (LRH: chuckles) I gonna ... you know? |
PC: I actually, I used up my virginity at that point to trap him. | LRH: Is that something you did? |
LRH: All right. Okay. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: This is – this is the – the biggest overt I have on Jimmy. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: And what’s the overt there? | PC: Did he find - I don't think he ever found out about that. |
PC: Just, I was a virgin and this flipped him. You see, he seduced me at that point, and I – and that hung him up. | LRH: And he never found out about it? |
LRH: I see. I see. All… | PC: I don't think so. |
PC: I intended to use it, you see… | LRH: All right. And now, over this further. What did you specifically do? |
LRH: All right. | PC: (sighs) Well, I slept with him, as a trap. |
PC: … as a trap. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: What did – how do you state this now? Exactly what did you do? | PC: Uh ... I actually, used up my virginity at that point to trap him. |
PC: Hm. | LRH: All right. Okay. |
LRH: Do, you know. Not thought or intended. What did you do? What did you do, specifically? | PC: This is - this is the ... the biggest overt I have on Jimmy. |
PC: Well… | LRH: And what's the overt there? |
LRH: That’s – you’re getting there. | PC: Just, I was a virgin and this flipped him. You see, he seduced me at that point, and I ... and that hung him up. |
PC: Yeah, I… | LRH: I see. I see. All ... |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: I intended to use it, you see ... |
PC: Well, I don’t know how to state it so that it makes a good One question. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Well, you let me make up the One question. | PC: ... as a trap. |
PC: Yeah. Let’s see. | LRH: What - what did - how do you state this now? Exactly what did you do? |
LRH: You make – you let me audit this, huh? | PC: Hm. (pause) |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Do, you know. (PC laughs) Not thought or intended. What did you do? What did you do, specifically? |
LRH: Just because you haven’t been audited lately, why, this doesn’t say you’re not being audited now. | PC: Well... |
PC: Okay. | LRH: That's - you're getting there. |
LRH: All right. Let’s go now. What did you do? | PC: Yeah. I... |
PC: Well, the – the – the nearest I can come to it – and this sounds maudlin – but like I saved myself, you know? | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: Well, I don't know how to state it so that it makes a good One question. |
PC: Like, I stayed a virgin… | LRH: Well, you let me (PC laughs) make up the One question. Okay? |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: Yeah. Let's see. |
PC: … to trap a man. | LRH: You make - you let me audit this, huh? |
LRH: All right. | PC: (laughing) Okay. |
PC: I had every intention all this life to do that. | LRH: Just because you haven't been audited lately, why, this doesn't say you're not being audited now. |
LRH: All right. Okay. All right. You’re getting – you’re getting there. It’s ticking in. | PC: (laughing) Okay. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Let's go now. What did you do? |
LRH: I acknowledge you did that. | PC: Well, the - the - the nearest I can come to it - and this sounds maudlin - out like I saved myself, you know? |
PC: Yes. Okay. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
LRH: All right. I acknowledge you did that. I’m just driving it down… | PC: Like, l stayed a virgin ... |
PC: Mm. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
LRH: … in time, in a specific instance, at a specific moment. | PC: ... to trap a man. |
PC: Yeah. LRH: An act. An actual act, not an intention. I want an act. What did you do? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Mm. | PC: I had every intention all this life to to that. |
LRH: That’s right. Now you’re rocking on it. That’s it. | LRH: All right. Okay. All right. You're getting - you're getting there. It's ticking in. |
PC: Well, that isn’t very much of an act, though, you know? I mean it was… | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: I don’t care. What is the act? There it is. | LRH: I acknowledge you did that. |
PC: Well… | PC: Yes. Okay (laughs) |
LRH: That’s it. | LRH: All right. I acknowledge you did that. I'm just driving it down ... |
PC: … to use this. I’ve come out like a doingness though. It’s an intention. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: I don’t care how it comes out like. | LRH: ... in time, in a specific instance; at a specific moment. |
PC: Well, just – I – I… | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: You just tell me what you did and I’ll take it from there. | LRH: An act. An actual act, not an intention. I want an act. What did you do? |
PC: Okay. I spotted Jimmy in the environment, and I decided he was the man I was going to trap by sleeping with him, and then I was going to marry him. | PC: (pause) Mm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: That's right. Now you're rocking on it. That's it. |
PC: Was an intention to marry him. | PC: Well, that isn't very much of an act, though, you know? I mean it was ... |
LRH: All right. Good. That’s fine. And you got the tick there. And what did you do? | LRH: I don't care. What is the act? There it is. |
PC: I slept with him. | PC: Well... |
LRH: All right. Very good. And you slept with him with what intention? | LRH: That's it. |
PC: To marry him. | PC: ... to use this. I've ... Doesn't come out like a doingness though. It's an intention. |
LRH: To marry him? | LRH: I don't care how it comes out like. |
PC: Mm-mm. | PC: Well, just - I - I... |
LRH: or to trap him? | LRH: You just tell me what you did and I'll take it from there. |
PC: No. It just – that’s the same. | PC: Okay. I spotted Jimmy in the environment, and I decided he was the man I was going to trap by sleeping with him, and then I was going to marry him. |
LRH: oh, is that the same? | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: That’s the same to me, yes. | PC: Was an intention to marry him. |
LRH: That’s the same. All right. | LRH: All right. Good. That's fine. And you got the tick there. (PC sighs) And what did you do? |
PC: Marriage is a trap, yeah. | PC: I slept with him. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Very good. And you slept with him with what intention? |
PC: It’s a trap. | PC: To marry him. |
LRH: What about sleeping with a man to trap him, huh? | LRH: To many him? |
PC: Well, this is fine except he’s the only one I did this life. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: All right. That’s all right. | LRH: Or to trap him? |
PC: Well, the earliest one I did, I should say. | PC: No. It just - that's the same. (laughs) |
LRH: That’s my girl. | LRH: Oh, is that the same? |
PC: Yeah, that’s the earliest one this life. | PC: That s the same to me, yes. |
LRH: That’s a little more honest. | LRH: That's the same.- All right. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Marriage is a trap, yeah. |
LRH: All right. And we’ve got our What. All right. And that isn’t – nobody is doing anything accusative here. But you see, I operate very funny, Dorothy. I think it’s what people do, not what they intend to do, that makes a Prepcheck. | LRH. All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: It's a trap. |
LRH: And, of course, I know that’s novel. | LRH: What about sleeping with a man to trap him, huh? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, this is fine except he's the only one I did this life. (laughs) |
LRH: I know – I know that’s a novel theory. Look-a-here now. You’ve got an incident here. Is that right? | LRH: All right. That's all right. |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: Well, the earliest one I did, I should say. |
LRH: All right. Now, when was that exactly? | LRH: That's my girl. (chuckles) |
PC: Uh – that was in uh… | PC: Yeah, that's the earliest one this life. (coughs) |
LRH: That’s a girl. | LRH: That's a little more honest. |
PC: … well, May… | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: That’s a girl. | LRH: All right. And we've got our What. All right. And that isn't ... Nobody is doing anything accusative here. But you see, I operate very funny, Dorothy. I think it's what people do, not what they intend to do, that makes a Prepcheck. |
PC: … of 1943. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. That gives a nice little bing there. | LRH: And, of course, I know that's novel. (chuckles) |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Yeah. (laughs) |
LRH: Very good. May of 1943. | LRH: I know - I know that's a novel theory. (chuckles) |
PC: Mmm. | Look-a-here now. You've got an incident here. Is that right? |
LRH: We’re back here in 43. Right? | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. Now, when was that exactly? |
LRH: All right. And where was that specifically? | PC: a ... that was in uh ... |
PC: Norman, Oklahoma. | LRH: That's a girl. |
LRH: Norman, Oklahoma. | PC: ... well, May... |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: That's a girl. |
LRH: All right. | PC: ... of 1943. |
PC: I was in the navy. | LRH: All right. That gives a nice little bing there. |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: I was in the nary. | LRH: Very good. May of 1943. |
LRH: Is that a girl? All right. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Well, we're back here in '43. Right? |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what should have appeared there and didn’t? | PC: A hm-hm. |
PC: Hmm. I know something that shouldn’t have appeared. | LRH: All right. And where was that specifically? |
LRH: All right. What was that? | PC: Norman, Oklahoma. |
PC: Well, my girlfriend. | LRH: Norman, Oklahoma. |
LRH: Aha. She did appear, huh? | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: Hm. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Hey, now. Very good. Very good. And who didn’t find out about it? | PC: I was in the navy. |
PC: That she – you mean about her appearance or the incident? | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: Well, no, just who didn’t find out about the incident? | PC: I was in the navy. |
PC: oh. My mother! | LRH: Is that a girl? (chuckles) All right. |
LRH: Ah, your mother didn’t. | PC: Yeah. (chuckles) |
PC: My mother. | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what should have appeared there and didn't? |
LRH: All right. That’s my girl. | PC: (pause) Hmm. (long pause; sighs) I know something that shouldn't have appeared. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. What was that? |
LRH: All right. Now, when was this? | PC: Well, my girlfriend. |
PC: It was in the evening, in May – I think May. The summer. | LRH: Aha. She did appear, huh? |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Hm. |
PC: Well, you can’t tell about Oklahoma. It gets summer there fast. | LRH: Hey! now. Very good. Very good. And who didn't find out about it? |
LRH: All right. And just exactly where was that located? That’s it. | PC: That she - you mean about her appearance or the incident? |
PC: Well, that was a hotel… | LRH: Well, no, just who didn't find out about the incident? |
LRH: Uh-huh. | PC: Oh. My mother! |
PC: … out in the outskirts of town. | LRH: Ah, your mother didn't. |
LRH: Good. Good. All right. Bing-bing. | PC: My mother. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. That's my girl. |
LRH: You got it. That’s bing-bing. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah, I yeah, I can – I know what hotel it was | LRH: All right. Now? when was this? |
LRH: All right. | PC: It was in the evening, in May ... I think May. The summer. |
PC: I liked it, the hotel. | LRH: Mm-hm.. |
LRH: All right. And what didn’t appear there? | PC: Well, you can't tell about (chuckles) Oklahoma. It gets summer there fast. |
PC: Hmm. | LRH: All right. And just exactly where was that located? That's it. |
LRH: There it is. | PC: Well, that was a hotel ... |
PC: Mmm. Well, I’m getting more what’s – what is beginning to appear there is more the misemotion. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: Mm-mm. And what didn’t appear? | PC: ... out on the outskirts of town. |
PC: Hm. The room! I can’t find it. | LRH: Good. Good. All right. Bing-bing. |
LRH: Mm-mm. All right. That’s good enough. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Is there a – hazy picture. | LRH: You got it. That's bing-bing. |
LRH: All right. Now, who failed to find out about this incident? | PC: Yeah, I yeah, I-I can - I know what hotel it was. |
PC: Jimmy’s mother. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. What didn’t Jimmy suspect there? That’s it. | PC: I liked it, the hotel. |
PC: Well, he didn’t suspect that I was going to hold him to this one. | LRH: All right. And what didn't appear there? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: (pause) hmm. (pause) |
PC: Actually, what he didn’t suspect was that he would get that totally entrapped on it. Oh, I know what he didn’t expect! | LRH: There it is. |
LRH: What? | PC: Mmm. Well, I'm getting more what's ... what is beginning to appear there is more the misemotion. |
PC: Well, he didn’t expect me to be a virgin, of course! | LRH: Mm-mm. And what didn't appear? |
LRH: Well, all right. Okay. | PC: (pause) hmm. The room! I can't find it. |
PC: That’s what he didn’t expect me to… | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. That's good - enough. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Is there a ... hm, hazy picture. |
PC: That’s what he didn’t expect. Yeah. | LRH: All right. Now, who failed to find out about this incident? |
LRH: All right. Well, that’s a very interesting… | PC: (sighs) Jimmy's mother. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. What didn't Jimmy suspect there? (brief pause) That's it. |
LRH: … thing for him to find out at that moment, huh? | PC: Well, he didn't suspect that I was going to hold him to this one. |
PC: Yeah! | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: so how did he take on about that? | PC: Actually, what he didn't suspect was that he would get that totally entrapped on it. Oh, I know what he didn't expect! |
PC: Well, he flipped. | LRH: What? |
LRH: oh? | PC: Well, he didn't expect me to be a virgin, of course! |
PC: He flipped | LRH: Well, all right. Okay. |
LRH: He flipped? | PC: That's what he didn't expect me to ... |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: And what did that mean for him? | PC: That's what he didn't expect. (laughs) Yeah. |
PC: That mean he – means – that meant he was trapped. | LRH: All right. Well, that's a very interesting ... |
LRH: Yes sir. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Mmm. That was a dirty trick! | LRH: ... thing for him to find out at that moment, huh? |
LRH: All right. Very good. | PC: Yeah! |
PC: That was. | LRH: So how did he take on about that? |
LRH: All right. Very good. And when was this again? | PC: Well, he flipped. |
PC: Hmm. | LRH: Oh? |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: He flipped. |
PC: oh, you know, it – it was just about this time of year? Mm – early May? | LRH: He flipped? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Yes. |
PC: It was in the evening. | LRH: And what did that mean for him? |
LRH: Hm-hm. What time in the evening | PC: That mean he - means - that meant he was trapped. |
PC: oh, about – I should say about twelve o’clock at night. | LRH: Yes sir. |
LRH: That’s it. There it is. There it is. | PC: Mmm. That was a dirty trick. |
PC: Yeah. Because we went out first, and then came back. | LRH: All right. Very good. (chuckles) |
LRH: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. All right. Is there any more about that? Is there any more to that? | PC: That was. |
PC: Well, just – it was messy. | LRH: All right. Very good. And when was this again? |
LRH: How do you mean, messy? | PC: (sigh) Hmm. |
PC: Well, I got blood all over my clothes. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: oh, yeah. | PC: Oh, gosh. You know, it ... it was just about this time of year? Mm ... early May? |
PC: This is what Betty discovered. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | PC: It was in the evening. |
PC: And an unexpectedness on Betty. | LRH: Hm-hm. What time in the evening? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Oh, about ... I should say about twelve o'clock at night. |
PC: This – this was rather an uncomfortable situation for me. | LRH: That's it. There it is. There it is. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And what failed to appear there? | PC: Yeah. 'Cause we went out first, and then came back. |
PC: Mmm. Well, there’s something very interesting going on here. There’s Bob in the background, but somehow he’s there and not there. | LRH: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. All right. Is there any more about that? Is there any more to that? |
LRH: Who? | PC: Well, just ... it was messy. |
PC: Betty’s boyfriend. | LRH: How do you mean, messy? |
LRH: Yeah? | PC: Well, I got blood all over my clothes. |
PC: Bob? Was that his name? | LRH: Oh, yeah. |
LRH: There was somebody else at the hotel with you? | PC: This is what Betty discovered. |
PC: Yeah. Bob. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: All right. | PC: And an unexpectedness on Betty. |
PC: Betty’s boyfriend. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: There – there was somebody there? | PC: Uh ... (pause) This - this was rather an uncomfortable situation for me. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Very good. And what failed to appear there? |
LRH: oh, I see. Had they put up at the hotel? | PC: (sighs) Mmm. Well, there 's something very interesting going on here. There's Bob in the background, but somehow he's there ant not there. |
PC: Yeah. They were in another room. | LRH: Who? |
LRH: oh, I see. All right. Then they knew all about this? | PC: Betty's boyfriend. |
PC: Well, I don’t think Bob did. | LRH: Yeah? |
LRH: I see. | PC: Bob? Was that his name? |
PC: Unless Betty told him, which I don’t think she did. | LRH: There was somebody else at the hotel with you? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Yeah. Bob. |
PC: I didn’t tell him. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. He didn’t appear there. | PC: Betty's boyfriend. |
PC: No, he didn’t. | LRH: There ... there was somebody there? |
LRH: All right. Now, good enough. Now, who failed to find out about all this? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Bob. | LRH: Oh, I see. Had they put up at the hotel? |
LRH: Bob did. | PC: Yeah. They were in another room. |
PC: oh, actually, the – what keeps popping up is the navy personnel out on the base didn’t – failed to find out. | LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Then they knew all about this. |
LRH: All right. Did you go into a vast withhold from all those people? | PC: Well, I don't think Bob did. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: I see. |
LRH: Should they have found out about this? | PC: I think Betty told him, which I don't think she did. |
PC: Yeah. Actually, my – my senior officer should have found out about it. | LRH: Hm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. | PC: I didn't tell him. |
PC: This was a betrayal on her, actually. | LRH: I see. |
LRH: All right. How was it a betrayal on her? | PC: My hometown. |
PC: Well, she had a solid postulate that her girls did not do these things. | LRH: What town in Montana? |
LRH: oh, I see. | PC: Fromberg, south of Billings. |
PC: It sort of made this one stick with most of the girls. | LRH: Yeah? |
LRH: All right. That’s fine. That’s fine. All right. That’s very good. When did you try any of this earlier with a man and it didn’t work out? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, didn’t… | LRH: Attagirl. All right. Now, who failed to find out about that whole thing? |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: My mother. |
PC: I get the earliest – no, this is – I think the earliest one is when I was eighteen and uh… | LRH: All right. That's tick-tick, bang Now we're really getting there. |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: Yeah. Mother and Dad. |
PC: … I chickened out. | LRH: Hm-hm. They didn't find out about this? |
LRH: Aha. We got the tick-tick there. | PC: No. |
PC: Yeah. I chickened out on that one. | LRH: Do they know about it to this day? |
LRH: And when was that? | PC: No. |
PC: That was in 38. | LRH: All right. You've never had anything to say to them about this. |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Oh, no. They ... they wouldn't have dug this game at all. |
PC: 1938. | LRH: They wouldn't have, huh? |
LRH: 1938. | PC: Oh, no. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. And what did you do? Did you tell them something else? (PC sighs) That's it. |
LRH: All right. And what – is that all there is to that? | PC: Well, yeah. I told them that I wanted to get married. This was perfectly reasonable. But I didn't tell them that I had ... Well, see, the one I've got there's that this is the only thing I had of any value. |
PC: Well, no, because I did have this same intention there to trap him, but I couldn’t – I wouldn’t go through with it because I – he – I didn’t know what the myst – there was a mystery on Cleveland. I would hare had to have lived in Cleveland and I didn’t know what it was about, so I chickened out. | LRH: What? |
LRH: All right. Okay. And what appeared there? | PC: My virginity. |
PC: Hm. Blackie. My friend. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: oh, yeah. | PC: It's the only thing I ever considered was valuable. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. |
LRH: All right. | PC: I already knew I was no good. |
PC: This was an older man. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Very good. Very good. In what wise did he appear? How did he appear? | PC: You know? |
PC: Well, he interfered. | LRH: Okay. All right now, is there any earlier incident? (PC sighs) That's it. |
LRH: oh, he did, huh? | PC: Well, that is when I was only thirteen. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: When you were thirteen. |
LRH: Was this a knockdown-drag-out? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: No. Just he raised hell. | LRH: Very good And what did you do when you were thirteen? |
LRH: What did he do? | PC: Well, this one was sort of inadvertent. Some guy spotted me, and turned on a big um ... admiration deal for me. I never could understand that one. |
PC: And he made me sufficiently guilty so that I blew off of him. Actually, I solved the whole thing by going to Seattle. | LRH: Hm-hm. All right What did you do there? |
LRH: I see, I see. This is your departure from where? | PC: Well, I was just sitting in the park minding my own business ... |
PC: From Fromberg, Montana. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: I see. | PC: ... and he came along. |
PC: My hometown. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: What town in Montana? | PC: Yeah. I did do something there. I did uh ... |
PC: Fromberg, south of Billings. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: Yeah? | PC: ... try to force ... like I must be something if I attracted him, and tried to force the relationship. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Oh all right. Very good. Okay. And when was that? |
LRH: Attagirl. All right. Now, who failed to find out about that whole thing | PC: That was in 1933. That was in - on Labor Day, 19th. September. |
PC: My mother. | LRH: Labor Day, 1933. |
LRH: All right. That’s tick-tick, bang. Now we’re really getting there. | PC: Yeah |
PC: Yeah. Mother and Dad. | LRH: Very good. |
LRH: Hm-hm. They didn’t find out about this? | PC: Labor Day celebration. |
PC: No. | LRH: All right. And is that all there is to that? |
LRH: Do they know about it to this day? | PC: Uh ... no. I kept that one but tried to foister some sort of a romance out of that. I couldn't make it, though. |
PC: No. | All right. Good enough. But right there at that instant. Right there at ... |
LRH: All right. You’ve never had anything to say to them about this. | PC: Oh, that... |
PC: oh, no. They – they wouldn’t have dug this game at all. | LRH: ... that moment. Is that all there is to that? |
LRH: They wouldn’t have, huh? | PC: Yeah |
PC: oh, no. | LRH: Yeah. All right. Very good. All right. What failed to appear there? PC: (pause) Well, sur-r-r-re enough, uh ... the - whatever I had mocked up as a desirable male failed to appear there, because he sure wasn't. |
LRH: All right. And what did you do? Did you tell them something else? That’s it. | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, yeah. I told them that I wanted to get married. This was perfectly reasonable. But I didn’t tell them that I had – well, see, the one I’ve got there is that this is the only thing I had of any value. | PC: You know? |
LRH: What? | LRH: Very good. Very good. Now, who didn't find out about this incident? |
PC: My virginity. | PC: His mother. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: His mother? |
PC: It’s the only thing I ever considered was valuable. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. | LRH: Oh, all right. How old was he? |
PC: I already knew I was no good. | PC: Uh ... fifteen. No, I guess he was only about fourteen - thirteen, fourteen, too. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Oh, I see. |
PC: You know? | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident? That’s it. | LRH: And she didn't find out about it, huh? |
PC: Well, that’s when I was only thirteen. | PC: Oh, no. You see ... |
LRH: When you were thirteen. | LRH: Was he upset about this? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, later, I introduced him to my mother; you see? And then later he had a compulsion to introduce his mother to me. This is ... |
LRH: Very good. And what did you do when you were thirteen? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, this one was sort of inadvertent. Some guy spotted me, and turned on a big admiration deal for me. I never could understand that one. | PC: ... a real funny one on it. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. What did you do there? | LRH: That's bing-bing. We're getting somewhere now. |
PC: Well, I was just sitting in the park minding my own business… | PC: Yeah She ... she disapproved, you see? (chuckles) |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: Did she tell you she disapproved? |
PC: … and he came along | PC: No. Just ... |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: Did you tell her? |
PC: Yeah. I did do something there. I did uh… | PC: No. |
LRH: That’s it. | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, is there anything earlier than this? |
PC: … try to force – like I must be something if I attracted him, and tried to force the relationship. | PC: Good heavens, no! |
LRH: oh, all right. Very good. Okay. And when was that? | LRH: Well, was there anything earlier than this? |
PC: That was in 1933. That was in – on Labor Day, 1933. September. | PC: No. |
LRH: Labor Day, 1933. | LRH: I don't get much of a wrack-around here on it. Is there anything earlier here about trying to sleep with a man to trap him? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: (brief pause) Hm-mm no. |
LRH: Very good. | LRH: Well now, we just had that go counter to what you just said. |
PC: Labor Day celebration. | PC: Well, I'm looking at some ... |
LRH: All right. And is that all there is to that? | LRH: Come on. Come on. What could there have been earlier? |
PC: Uh – no. I kept that one going. Tried to foster some sort of a romance out of it. I couldn’t make it, though. | PC: Well, there was some sex play with my brothers, but that wasn't wanting to sleep with them to marry them. |
LRH: All right. Good enough. But right there at that instant. Right there at… | LRH: Oh, all right. All right. But how about trapping them? Would this trap them in some way? |
PC: oh, that… | PC: Oh. well, yeah. That - that - there was some wanting to be close to my brothers. |
LRH: … that moment. Is that all there is to that? | Actually, this is interesting. That's - that's that "I want to be close to a man." |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah. All right. Very good. All right. What failed to appear there? | PC: And I did want to be ... |
PC: Well, sure enough, uh – the – whatever I had mocked up as a desirable male failed to appear there, because he sure wasn’t. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: ... close to my brothers. |
PC: You know? | LRH: All right. Very good. And when did this sexual activity take place? |
LRH: Very good. Very good. Now, who didn’t find out about this incident? | PC: Well, it's my brother Eddie. |
PC: His mother. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: His mother? | PC: That's the incident there with uh ... it ... it was just straight together, his masturbation - me letting him ... |
PC: Yes. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: oh, all right. How old was he? | PC: ... do it. |
PC: Uh – fifteen. No, I guess he was only about fourteen – thirteen, fourteen, too. | LRH: Good enough. And now, when was this? |
LRH: oh, I see. | PC: Uh ... oh, dear. I got to guess on this one. About 1928, 29. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Good enough. Good enough. |
LRH: And she didn’t find out about it, huh? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: oh, no. You see – . | LRH: Is that all there is to that? |
LRH: Was he upset about this? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, later, I introduced him to my mother, you see? And then later he had a compulsion to introduce his mother to me. This is… | LRH: All right. And what appeared there? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, this... the ... |
PC: … a real funny one on it. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: That’s bing-bing. We’re getting somewhere now. | PC: Yeah, it was too much misemotion. I mean, I - I - I couldn't confront ... easily confront his emotion on this one. |
PC: Yeah. She – she disapproved, you see? | LRH: There we go. |
LRH: Did she tell you she disapproved? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: No. | LRH: We're right there. Right there now. |
LRH: Did you tell her? | PC: Yeah, this is ... |
PC: No. | LRH: You couldn't confront his ... |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, is there anything earlier than this? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Good heavens, no! | LRH: ... emotion. |
LRH: Well, was there anything earlier than this? | PC: Mm. |
PC: No. | LRH: Hm-hm. Emotion appeared there. |
LRH: I don’t get much of a rack-around here on it. Is there anything earlier here about trying to sleep with a man to trap him? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Hm-mm. | LRH: Mmm. Mmm. |
LRH: Well, now, we just had that go counter to what you just said. | PC: It's actually sexual sensation on his part. |
PC: Well, I’m looking at some… | LRH: Mmm. And you weren't able to confront that. |
LRH: Come on. Come on. What could there have been earlier? | PC: Uh-uh [no]. |
PC: Well, there was some sex play with my brothers, but that wasn’t wanting to sleep with them to marry them. | LRH: Okay. |
LRH: oh, all right. All right. But how about trapping them? Would this trap them in some way? | PC: Interesting. |
PC: oh, well, yeah. That – that – there was some wanting to be close to my brothers. Actually, this is interesting. That’s – that’s that „I want to be close to a man.“ | LRH: All right Very good. Now who failed to find out about that? |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: My mother. |
PC: And I did want to be… | LRH: Right. All right. There it is. Bing-bing. Very good. |
LRH: All right. | PC: My mother. Oh, wow! |
PC: … close to my brothers. | LRH: All right. Fine. How did this trap your brother? (PC sighs) There it is. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And when did this sexual activity take place? | PC: Well, was - there was that emotional tie there. Something in - we had experienced something in common. Um ... this actually is a... Huh. (pause) Hm ... just the misemotion is what's the trap. Sort of a goopy misemotion that... |
PC: Well, it’s my brother Eddie. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: ... couldn't - couldn't ever have just as a clean-cut type relationship. There was always that withhold there - on his part. It's actually still there. |
PC: That’s the incident there with uh – it – it was just straight together, his masturbation – me letting him… | LRH: What? On his part? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. It's still there. |
PC: … do it. | LRH: To this day? |
LRH: Good enough. And now, when was this? | PC: Uh-huh. |
PC: Uh – oh, dear. I got to guess on this one. About 1928-9. | LRH: To this day, he's still afraid people will find out about this? |
LRH: All right. Good enough. | PC: Hm-hm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Is that so? |
LRH: Good enough. Is that all there is to that? | PC: Actually, he's afraid I'm going to mention it. One of these days I am. I'm going to pull that withhold off of him. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
LRH: All right. And what appeared there? | PC: I think that would help. |
PC: Well, this – the;.. | LRH: (chuckles) Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident here? There's a little slowdown. |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: Well, this is the picture that I don't have any ... any recall on. Just a stuck visio. |
PC: Yeah, it was too much misemotion. I mean, I – I – I couldn’t confront – easily confront his emotion on this one. | LRH: Picture of what? |
LRH: There we go. | PC: Of running to Mother and telling her about a sexual experience with my brother Jake. |
PC: Yeah. | But this one was ... |
LRH: We’re right there. Right there now. | LRH: Writing to your mother? |
PC: Yeah, this is… | PC: Running to my mother. |
LRH: You couldn’t confront his emotion. | LRH: Running to her? Oh, running to her? |
PC: Mm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Emotion appeared there. | LRH: And telling her about a sexual experience with your brother Jake. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Mmm. Mmm. | LRH: When was that? |
PC: It’s actually sexual sensation on his part. | PC: Well, I'm sure I was only four years old, but I don't know why this comes out then in the place where I was ... didn't live until I was six. |
LRH: Mmm. And you weren’t able to confront that. | LRH: Well, that's good. |
PC: Uh-uh. | PC: (laughs) I mean, I've got some confusion in it. |
LRH: Okay. | LRH: All right. What is this? An overt act on Jake? |
PC: Interesting | PC: Yeah. It's actually an overt act on Mother, too. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, who failed to find out about that? | LRH: Uh-huh. Both of them. |
PC: My mother. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Right. All right. There it is. Bing-bing. Very good. | LRH: Both of them. |
PC: My mother. Oh, wow! | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Fine. How did this trap your brother? There it is. | LRH: All right. Was it true? |
PC: Well, was – there was that emotional tie there. Something in – we had experienced something in common. Um – this actually is a – huh. Just the misemotion is what’s the trap. Sort of a goopy misemotion that… | PC: Yeah, it was true. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: What was true? |
PC: … couldn’t – couldn’t ever have just as a clean-cut type relationship. There was always that withhold there – on his part. It’s actually still there. | PC: Well, the experience, uh... Well, no, I shouldn't say that because I don't remember the experience. I only remember running to my mother telling her that Jake had uh ..uh ... taught me all about uh ... well, l - I said, "Mom - Mother, Mother, Jake told me all about fucking" you see? |
LRH: What? On his part? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Yeah. It’s still there. | PC: And my mother almost dropped dead! |
LRH: To this day? | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Very good. Now, what didn't appear there? |
PC: Uh-huh. | PC: Well, what the hell ever happened there? |
LRH: To this day, he’s still afraid people will find out about this? | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: Hm-hm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Is that so? | LRH: Well, who hasn't found out about this? |
PC: Actually, he’s afraid I’m going to mention it. One of these days I am. I’m going to pull that withhold off of him. | PC: My dad never found out. My other brother - my other brothers and sisters didn't find out. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: They didn't find out. |
PC: I think that would help. | PC: No. |
LRH: Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident here? There’s a little slowdown. | LRH: Your father didn't find out. |
PC: Well, this is the picture that I don’t have any – any recall on. Just a stuck visio. | PC No. |
LRH: Picture of what? | LRH: All right. How about Jake? |
PC: of running to Mother and telling her about a sexual experience with my brother Jake. But this one was… | PC: Yeah, well, he found out about something because Mother beat him up. |
LRH: Writing to your mother? | LRH: Oh, I see. Was he punished? |
PC: Running to my mother. | PC: Yeah, he was punished. |
LRH: Running to her? Oh, running to her? | LRH: All right. Now, when was this? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Hmm. Well, boy, sure seems like 1924. |
LRH: And telling her about a sexual experience with your brother Jake. | LRH: All right. Very good. 1924. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: When was that? | LRH: What time of the year? |
PC: Well, I’m sure I was only four years old, but I don’t know why this comes out then in the place where I was – didn’t live until I was six. | PC: Well, it co ... See, that's where I get confused, because it was in the cornfield. And I was six years old in that place, but the corn was ... Actually it was high, so it must have been in the middle of summer. |
LRH: Well, that’s good. | LRH: Okay. Very good. And is that all there is to that? |
PC: I mean, I’ve got some confusion in it. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. What is this? An overt act on Jake? | LRH: Mm? |
PC: Yeah. It’s actually an overt act on Mother, too. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Uh-huh. Both of them? | LRH: What else is there to that? There must be something else to it. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, hmm. Bunch of confusion, like uh ... it seems like it's the same incident is here I was sitting in the hallway or in the side porch with this ... Mother had told me that uh . . well, she - it was more of an attitude of I was totally unacceptable to her. And just sitting in the uh ... hall there thinking, you know, things will never be the same again. But I'm not sure it's the same incident. |
LRH: Both of them. | LRH: All right |
PC: Yeah. | PC: It just seems like it. |
LRH: All right. Was it true? | LRH: Very good. Very good And what appeared there? (pause) All right. What didn't appear there? That's it. |
PC: Yeah, it was true. | PC: Well, Mother didn't. Um ... I have a ... real funny feeling there of being all alone. |
LRH: What was true? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, the experience, uh – well, no, I shouldn’t say that because I don’t remember the experience. I only remember running to my mother telling her that Jake had uh – uh – taught me all about uh – well, I – I said, „Mom – Mother, Mother, Jake told me all about fucking,” you see? | PC: That somebody else should have been there and wasn't. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: And my mother almost dropped dead! | PC: I don't know. |
LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Very good. Now, what didn’t appear there? | LRH: All right. Now, who hasn't found out about that four-year-old incident? |
PC: Well, what the hell ever happened there? | PC: (sigh; pause) Hm. (pause) Well, I sure haven't found out parts of it. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: All right. All right. Anybody else hasn't found out about it? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm. Mother didn't find out other parts of it. |
LRH: Well, who hasn’t found out about this? | LRH: All right. |
PC: My dad never found out. My other brother – my other brothers and sisters didn’t find out. | PC: The one that Mother didn't find out, actually, was I don't think she realized what uh ... how uh ... I Q-and-Aed with this. I mean, I just straight decided I was no good ... |
LRH: They didn’t find out. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: No. | PC: ... on her consideration that I wasn't. |
LRH: Your father didn’t find out. | LRH: All right. Now, what are we talking about here that she considered you were no good? When did this enter into the situation? |
PC: No. | PC: Well, it was uh ... later in that incident - I think. I don't ... it looks like... |
LRH: All right. How about Jake? | LRH: Did she tell you you were no good, or what? |
PC: Yeah, well, he found out about something because Mother beat him up. | PC: Well, she - Yeah. Just ... |
LRH: oh, I see. was he punished? | LRH: What did she say? |
PC: Yeah, he was punished. | PC: Well, she gasped like this was the most horrible thing that anybody could ever do. |
LRH: All right. Now, when was this? | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. |
PC: Hmm. Well, boy, sure seems like 1924. | PC: I mean, it was the attitude ... |
LRH: All right. Very good. 1924. | LRH: What did she say? |
PC: Mm-mm. | PC: ... and the misemo ... (brief pause) Wells I think she appealed to God at that point that this happened - this horrible act had happened. I don 't remember what she said. |
LRH: What time of the year? | She was talking in German anyhow. I wouldn't remember German. |
PC: Well, it co – . See, that’s where I get confused, because it was in the cornfield. And I was six years old in that place, but the corn was – actually it was high, so it must have been in the middle of summer. | LRH: All right. (PC laughs) What had you just done there? |
LRH: Okay. Very good. And is that all there is to that? | PC: Well, I told her that I was ... that Jake and I had uh ... I don't even remember what we - what - what we did. I do remember telling her that ... |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Yeah, but what did you tell her? That's what's important. |
LRH: Mm? | PC: Yeah Yeah. Well, I told her that Jake and I were fucking. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: All right That's what you told her. |
LRH: What else is there to that? There must be something else to it. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, hmm. Bunch of confusion, like uh – it seems like it’s the same incident where I was sitting in the hallway or in the side porch with this – Mother had told me that – well, she – it was more of an attitude of I was totally unacceptable to her. And just sitting in the hall there thinking, you know, things will never be the same again. But I’m not sure it’s the same incident. | LRH: Very good. Very good. When was this? |
LRH: All right. | PC: (sighs) I don't know, '24 or '26. 1924 or '26. I can't decide on this one. |
PC: It just seems like it. | LRH: Well, all right. |
LRH: Very good. Very good. And what appeared there? All right. What didn’t appear there? That’s it. | PC: It must have been in 1926 'cause we were living in Fromberg. But then everything that happened to me I put into my barnyard anyway, so this could be another thing I just put into my barnyard. |
PC: Well, Mother didn’t. I have a just a real funny feeling there of being all alone. | LRH: Into your barnyard? |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: I drag all my pictures into my barnyard. It's the only safe place I had in my childhood. |
PC: That somebody else should have been there and wasn’t. | LRH: Oh, I see. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: So every picture I - every time I get audited I drag all the pictures from all over the place, and I'd go into the barnyard to look at them, (laughs) while I was in the auditing chair. |
PC: I don’t know. | LRH: Oh, yeah. |
LRH: All right. Now, who hasn’t found out about that four-year-old incident? | PC: This... |
PC: Hm. Well, I sure haven’t found out parts of it. | LRH: Now, where - where did this incident with Jake happen? |
LRH: All right. All right. Anybody else hasn’t found out about it? | PC: Well, it was in the cornfield ... |
PC: Mm. Well, Mother didn’t find out other parts of it. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: All right. | PC; ... so that - that had to be the farm. |
PC: The one that Mother didn’t find out, actually, was I don’t think she realized what – how – I Q-and-Aed with this. I mean, I just straight decided I was no good… | LRH: Well, what did you do? |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: I don't know. |
PC: … on her consideration that I wasn’t. | LRH Nothing? Something? Anything? |
LRH: All right. Now, what are we talking about here that she considered you were no good? When did this enter into the situation? | PC: Well, I'm sure it was something, yeah. |
PC: Well, it was uh – later in that incident – I think. I don’t – it looks like… | LRH: Well, was it nothing? (brief pause) Something? Had you done anything? Or is this just an outright lie on Jake? |
LRH: Did she tell you you were no good, or what? | PC: No. |
PC: Well, she – yeah. Just… | LRH: Did it get him in trouble? |
LRH: What did she say? | PC: Yeah. It did get him in trouble. |
PC: Well, she gasped like this was the most horrible thing that anybody could ever do. | LRH: All right. Who wouldn't want you to find out about it? |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. | PC: Who wouldn't want me to find ... |
PC: I mean, it was the attitude… | LRH: Yes. |
LRH: What did she say? | PC: ... me to find out about it. |
PC: … and the misemo – . Well, I think she appealed to God at that point that this happened, this horrible act had happened. I don’t remember what she said. She was talking in German anyhow. I wouldn’t remember German. | LRH: Ah, that's an interesting thought, isn't it? |
LRH: All right. What had you just done there? | PC: Well, Mother wouldn't want me to find out about it, I don't think. |
PC: Well, I told her that I was – that Jake and I had – I don’t even remember what we – what – what we did. I do remember telling her that… | LRH: That's it. All right. Mother wouldn't want you to find out about it. |
LRH: Yeah, but what did you tell her? That’s what’s important. | PC: No. |
PC: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I told her that Jake and I were fucking. | LRH: Would Jake want you to find out about something? |
LRH: All right. That’s what you told her. | PC: (sigh) No. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Is there a big agreement there you shouldn't find out about this? |
LRH: Very good. Very good. When was this? | PC: Well, an agreement there that something like that would be better forgotten, which would be something we would have had in - in our childhood. |
PC: I don’t know, 24 or 26. 1924 or 26. I can’t decide on this one. | LRH: Everybody would agree that that ... |
LRH: Well, all right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: It must have been in 1926, because we were living in Fromberg. But then everything that happened to me I put into my barnyard anyway, so this could be another thing I just put into my barnyard. | LRH: ... should better be forgotten. |
LRH: Into your barnyard? | PC: It should - should be forgotten. See. |
PC: I drag all my pictures into my barnyard. It’s the only safe place I had in my childhood. | LRH: When did you all decide to forget it and be friends? |
LRH: oh, I see. | PC: (chuckles) Uh... |
PC: so every picture I – every time I get audited I drag all the pictures from all over the place and I’d go into the barnyard to look at them, while I was in the auditing chair. | LRH: That's it. |
LRH: oh, yeah. | PC: Hm. (pause) Well, just sort of oozed into forgetfulness there. |
PC: This… | LRH: All right. Very good. But there was an agreement there. |
LRH: Now, where – where did this incident with Jake happen? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, it was in the cornfield… | LRH: All right. Very good. When was that? That's it. |
LRH: That’s it. | PC: 1926 |
PC: …so that – that had to be the farm. | LRH: Very good. And what exactly happened there? Exactly what happened? |
LRH: Well, what did you do? | PC: Well, I get an impression only, now. |
PC: I don’t know. | LRH: Oh, you can tell me what happened. Don't sit there reading your pictures. Tell me what happened. |
LRH: Nothing? Something? Anything? | PC: All right. Actually, he did try to put his penis in me. |
PC: Well, I’m sure it was something, yeah. | LRH. All right. Very good. Was this your agreement? |
LRH: Well, was it nothing? Something? Had you done anything? Or is this just an outright lie on Jake? | PC: Mm-mm yes. |
PC: No. | LRH: Or your connivance? |
LRH: Did it get him in trouble? | PC: Well, it was uh ... actually, it was - this was all right to do. That's what I was ... |
PC: Yeah. It did get him in trouble. | LRH: All right. That's fine. |
LRH: All right. Who wouldn’t want you to find out about it? | PC: Yeah. That s what I was trying to communicate to Mother. |
PC: Who wouldn’t want me to find… | LRH: It was your idea? |
LRH: Yes. | PC: No. I had learned a new experience. |
PC: … me to find out about it. | LRH: Oh, all right Very, very good. Excellent. |
LRH: Ah, that’s an interesting thought, isn’t it? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, Mother wouldn’t want me to find out about it, I would think. | LRH: And what appeared there? |
LRH: That’s it. All right. Mother wouldn’t want you to find out about it. | PC: Well, my mother's shock, because, you see, 1 wanted to communicate to her that I had discovered something new. |
PC: No. | LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Very good. Excellent. |
LRH: Would Jake want you to find out about something? | PC: I didn't expect my mother to be shocked. I thought she would be pleased because I hat found out something new. |
PC: No. | LRH: All right. Very good. And who should have found out about this in later years? |
LRH: All right. Is there a big agreement there you shouldn’t find out about this? | PC: (sighs) Dad. |
PC: Well, an agreement there that something like that would be better forgotten, which would be something we would have had in – in our childhood. | LRH: All right. Who else should have found out about it in later years? |
LRH: Everybody would agree that that… | PC: Well, Jake should have found out about it, that I was this knuckleheaded. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: … should better be forgotten. | PC: I didn't know that this was something should be kept secret. |
PC: It should – should be forgotten. Sure. | LRH: Very good. And who else should have found out about it? |
LRH: When did you all decide to forget it and be friends? | PC: Uh ... well, my whole family should have found out that I was knuckleheaded. |
PC: Uh… | LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. Okay. |
LRH: That’s it. | Now when was this incident exactly? |
PC: Hm. Well, just sort of oozed into forgetfulness there. | PC: Huh. Well, it was in the summer of 1926. Actually, this one does feel more in place now, in '26. |
LRH: All right. Very good. But there was an agreement there. | LRH: Very good. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. When was that? That’s it. | LRH: All right, fine. |
PC: 1926. | PC: It was in the summer of 1926. |
LRH: Very good. And what exactly happened there? Exactly what happened? | LRH: Excellent. Excellent. And is that all there is to that incident now? |
PC: Well, I get an impression only, now. | PC: Mm. Yeah. |
LRH: oh, you can tell me what happened. Don’t sit there reading your pictures. Tell me what happened. | LRH: All right. Very good. And what shouldn't have appeared in that whole incident? |
PC: All right. Actually, he did try to put his penis in me. | PC: My mother. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Was this with your agreement? | LRH: All right. Excellent. Excellent And who didn't find out about it? |
PC: Mm-mm. | PC: (sigh; pause) Schoolteachers. Townspeople. |
LRH: or your connivance? | LRH: Oh, very good. Excellent. Anybody else? |
PC: Well, it was oh – actually, it was – this was all right to do. That’s what I was… | PC: You know, the one that's the real shouldn't-have-found-out is my stupidity there. Mmm, my brothers and sisters, particularly, shouldn't - should have found out about this one. Well, I don't know. They still shouldn't know about this. |
LRH: All right. That’s – that’s fine. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. That’s what I was trying to communicate to Mother. | PC: This stupidity. |
LRH: It was your idea? | LRH: Should they have found out about your stupidity? |
PC: No. I had learned a new experience. | PC: Well, it still isn't all right with me for them to find it out. |
LRH: oh, all right. Very, very good. Excellent. | LRH: (chuckles) All right. Okay. Now, what we're going to do here ... How do you feel about this now? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm, better. |
LRH: And what appeared there? | LRH: You feel a bit better? |
PC: Well, my mother’s shock, because, you see, I wanted to communicate to her that I had discovered something new. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: oh, I see. All right. Very good. Excellent. | LRH: A lot better? |
PC: I didn’t expect my mother to be shocked. I thought she would be pleased because I had found out something new. | PC: Yeah, it's... |
LRH: All right. Very good. And who should have found out about this in later years? | LRH: Have you got something a little more in place? |
PC: Dad. | PC: Yeah, and it doesn't seem as hung-up. |
LRH: All right. Who else should have found out about it in later years? | LRH: All right. Good enough. We're not - we're not through worrying this one - that one, probably, but we're going to look some more on this line. |
PC: Well, Jake should have found out about it, that I was this knuckleheaded. | PC: Oh, that's fine. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Now, would it be all right with you if we took a very brief break? PC: That would be wonderful. |
PC: I didn’t know that this was something should be kept secret. | LRH: Ten-minute break? |
LRH: Very good. And who else should have found out about it? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Uh – well, my whole family should have found out that I was knuckleheaded. | LRH: Would that be all right with you? |
LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. Okay. Now, when was this incident, exactly? | PC: Yes. |
PC: Huh. Well, it was in the summer of 1926. Actually, this one does feel more in place now, in 26. | LRH: And is it all right with you if I just asked one more question here? Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah, that's all right. Latent. |
LRH: Very good. | PC: Mm, yeah. You didn't. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH. Very good. Very good There was a - latent ... |
LRH: All right, fine. | PC: ... Mmm. |
PC: It was in the summer of 1926. | LRH: ... but that's all right. I'll check it again. |
LRH: Excellent. Excellent. And is that all there is to that incident now? | PC: Okay. |
PC: Mm. Yeah. | LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? There's a slight slowdown. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And what shouldn’t have appeared in that whole incident? | PC: Well, just I didn't realize it'd be this comfortable ... |
PC: My mother. | LRH: Oh, you didn't? |
LRH: All right. Excellent. Excellent. And who didn’t find out about it? | PC: ... being audited by you. |
PC: Schoolteachers. Townspeople. | LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. |
LRH: oh, very good. Excellent. Anybody else? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: You know, the one that’s the real shouldn’t-have-found-out is my stupidity there. Mmm, my brothers and sisters, particularly, shouldn’t – should have found out about this one. Well, I don’t know. They still shouldn’t know about this. | LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Let me check that once more. Have I missed a withhold on you? No, that's fine. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: Mm. |
PC: This stupidity. | LRH: Very good. We got that. And is there anything you care to ask before I give you end of session for this break? |
LRH: Should they have found out about your stupidity? | PC: No. |
PC: Well, it still isn’t all right with me for them to find it out. | LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now, what we’re going to do here – how do you feel about this now? | PC: Okay. Thank you. |
PC: Mm, better. | LRH: You bet. |
LRH: You feel a bit better? | |
PC: Mm-hm. | |
LRH: A lot better? | |
PC: Yeah, it’s… | |
LRH: You got something a little more in place? | |
PC: Yeah, and it doesn’t seem as hung-up. | |
LRH: All right. Good enough. We’re not – we’re not through worrying this one – that one, probably, but we’re going to look some more on this line. | |
PC: oh, that’s fine. | |
LRH: All right. Now, would it be all right with you if we took a very brief break? | |
PC: That would be wonderful. | |
LRH: Ten-minute break? | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: Would that be all right with you? | |
PC: Yes. | |
LRH: And is it all right with you if I just asked one more question here? Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah, that’s all right. Latent. | |
PC: Mm, yeah. You didn’t. | |
LRH: Very good. Very good. There was a latent… | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: … but that’s all right. I’ll check it again. | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? There’s a slight slowdown. | |
PC: Well, just I didn’t realize it’d be this comfortable… | |
LRH: oh, you didn’t? | |
PC: … being audited by you. | |
LRH: oh, all right. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Let me check that once more. Have I missed a withhold on you? No, that’s fine. | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: Very good. We got that. And is there anything you care to ask before I give you end of session for this break? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. | |
PC: Okay. Thank you. | |
LRH: You bet. | |